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A Conversation with Bonnie Oscarson

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Salt Lake City native Bonnie Oscarson served as the Young Women general president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from 2013 to 2018. She and her husband, Paul, served as mission president and companion in the Sweden Gutenberg Mission and later in the Stockholm Sweden Temple as temple president and matron. Together, she and Paul have seven children and 29 grandchildren. Bonnie also authored the book What Makes Us Sisters, which addresses women’s roles to develop and share their talents and gifts. Connie Sokol, who until recently was the host of the LDSPMA podcast Called to Create, interviewed Bonnie about her callings in the Church and her creative pursuits.

Bonnie recognizes a pattern throughout her life that prepared her to serve as the Young Women general president. Growing up, she developed empathy by living in several different states and attending wards and branches of various sizes. No matter where she was, she found ways to relate to the young women.

Forty years after first attending BYU, Bonnie returned to earn a bachelor’s degree with an emphasis on British and American literature. Though she has always found writing challenging, she gradually improved her craft through the many essays assigned to her in school. Bonnie hadn’t guessed that writing would become a necessary skill for her, but later, she found herself called upon to write articles for conferences and magazines. She looks back on this and other experiences as evidence that Heavenly Father knows what opportunities lie ahead and places experiences in our paths to prepare us for the future.

Sometimes, we may wonder why we are having certain experiences and what purpose they serve. At times, it’s only in looking back that we can see how important these lessons were in shaping who we have become. Bonnie feels that choosing to devote oneself to a life of faith allows the Lord to provide some of these experiences. “I think sometimes if we hold back, we may miss a few of them,” she shares.

Connie adds that as creators, we may be tempted to focus solely on the art we are creating. However, if we shift our focus to creating a meaningful life and allow the Lord to guide our experiences, we will be prepared for the future He has in store. This approach won’t negate any other pursuits we’ve chosen; instead, it will enrich them.

Bonnie asked multiple stake and ward Young Women leaders, “How do your young women see themselves in this work?” Every answer she received came down to, “We support.” This insight prompted her to focus on shifting the young women’s perspectives from being cheerleaders to becoming fully engaged participants in the gospel of Jesus Christ. She encouraged leaders to step back to allow the young women to teach lessons, to conduct meetings, and to help minister to others.

Bonnie and Paul now serve in the MTC as ecclesiastical leaders, and she has seen an increase in young women choosing to serve missions. “I just see greater self-confidence [in them] and a belief that [they are] an important part of this work.”

After Bonnie spoke in a women’s session of general conference, Deseret Book asked her to write a book. She was surprised that they thought so highly of her talk. They referenced her Pinterest board to find images that reflected her personality. Bonnie had gone through her boards to make sure nothing would reflect poorly on her new calling. Connie points out that as creators and Christians, our focus should be on reflecting the Savior’s light, including how we present ourselves on social media. She extends the invitation to review our social media accounts to note whether they reflect that light.

Bonnie has had many mountain and valley experiences, as we all do, where she chose to let go of something to create a more meaningful life. She met her husband while working on a degree in commercial art, which she loved, but chose a future with him instead of pursuing her education at the time. Upon having children, she repurposed the drawing board her parents had bought her years earlier into a baby-changing table. Though she put aside art in many ways, she feels that raising children is a creative process. Bonnie found fulfillment outside the stereotypes of “Mormon mothers” and taught her children how to use their creativity. When she and her husband moved to Sweden to serve as mission president and companion, she was 25 years old with five small children. Though the experience was difficult, she has no regrets.

Looking back, Bonnie can see how God prepared her to return to Sweden to serve as temple matron and then to fulfill her calling as Young Women general president. Her experiences helped her guide young women, missionaries, and those learning about the Church to focus not just on the baptismal font but also on the temple.

As Connie describes it, we may leave our creative projects on the altar as a sacrifice. However, like Bonnie using her drawing board as a changing table, what we sacrifice is recompensed in many different ways because we don’t only gain—we change. We become more capable and effective.

Bonnie notes that because we are all trying to keep the same commandments and meet the same expectations, we may think we have to be alike in every way. However, as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we are diverse and should embrace our differences. Living a creative life requires following our unique paths and using our unique gifts rather than trying to fit a mold. We ought to follow those paths confidently, bringing our families along with us.

This article is based on the Called to Create podcast featured during Season 3, Episode 2o. You can listen to the full podcast here.

A Conversation with Scott Christopher

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Scott Christopher is the author of the best-selling People People, The Levity Effect, and The Seven UPs of Happiness. He is also a sought-after actor who has appeared in many network television series, including NCIS, Modern Family, Criminal Minds, Granite Flats, Touched By an Angel, and many other movies on Disney Channel, Hallmark, Lifetime, Netflix, and Amazon. He and his wife, Elizabeth, live in Salt Lake City and have five sons and two grandkids.

Scott knew he wanted to be an actor when he was three years old and his sister taught him to read. From there, he began to read and copy scripts or whatever literature he could get his hands on. Every movement he made became a scene in his head, imagining a camera trained on him no matter what room he was in.

Validation for his creative pursuits came years later when he and his brother won a national acting competition at the Kennedy Center in Washington, D.C. Before their turn to compete, they stepped outside through the emergency exit for a moment. “And we two elders of Israel… folded our arms and said a prayer right there on the bank of the Potomac.” They didn’t ask for the Lord’s help to win the competition, though they and their young wives needed the money.

Instead, they prayed, “Father, please just help us to do our best. We’ve been rehearsing and have yet to [finish our routine within] the time limit, which is five minutes.”

They came in at four minutes and fifty-nine seconds, winning the whole competition by a unanimous decision from the judges. Scott won best actor, and his brother won best partner. The win motivated Scott to continue pursuing his goals. He recalls thinking, “I’ll keep trying this. I wasn’t gonna change my mind anyway, but that helped.”

Born in Michigan and raised by a single mother who converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Scott learned to trust in the Lord. Thanks to his mother’s faith, he grew up believing God was in charge of his life. Once his mother realized he was set on being an actor, she told him “to trust the Lord. Let Him be your agent.” And while that wasn’t the most practical advice from a business standpoint, Scott still pleads with Heavenly Father to point him in the direction he needs to go.

One of the first moments Scott realized he had made it in the acting world was working on the BYU-TV scripted show Granite Flats, which was a well-received and highly rated show. Scott says, “I made good friends with one of the actors who was very helpful in connecting me to [directors and producers in] Los Angeles. She understood that I had pretty strict values and standards and that I wasn’t looking to audition for everything under the sun.”

He goes on to say how critical the writing process is in terms of the creative whole. “If it’s well written, just hand me the script, give me a minute to memorize it, and I’ll just come out and play as me—within the context of the script. I put my life in the hands of the Lord and just see what’s out there.” Sometimes the parts are only two lines, but if the TV episode is clean, he can leave the set without feeling embarrassed about his work.

There are things, however, that Scott won’t do for the sake of an acting part. During his LDS mission in Barcelona, Spain, he became fluent in Spanish, a skill that opened up unique opportunities in his career. When offered a Spanish-speaking part on a major Amazon Prime series, his “spidey sense” started tingling over the possible content. Though he knew the show would be grittier than his other projects, it wasn’t until he reviewed the scripts and discovered the TV-MA rating that he realized he couldn’t lower his standards to take the role. He says, “Within two minutes, I was on the phone with my agent, and I said, ‘It’s not gonna happen.’”

While the producers begged him to be a part of the show, the writers refused to change the script to conform to his standards. Scott says, “So we parted ways. I thanked and praised the Lord for letting me see the scripts before I signed anything. I was heartbroken, but I was happy and at peace.”

As he concludes his discussion about his creative journey, Scott says, “Be 100% true to what you know and have felt and believed, that truly the perspective of the great plan of salvation is not about what we can take with us. We automatically assume that we’re talking about the money, jewelry, cars, and boats. And while that is true, there are    
 other things you can’t take with you, like the desire to have these things. We each have our own little gifts. Those carry on through eternity, but their worldly importance does not.”

Scott emphasizes how service and loving others truly make a difference. Joy comes from helping others. “Find what you’re passionate about, and hopefully what you’re passionate about does make a difference, even if it’s minute and small and local. Go after it.”

This article is based on the Called to Create podcast featured during Season 3, Episode 15. You can listen to the full podcast here.


A Conversation with Adassa

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From the introduction to Adassa’s podcast interview with LDSPMA: Adassa exudes a zest for life. She’s fiery and confident and speaks with a passion that makes you want to eat whatever salsa she’s eating. Above all her fame, she knows what’s important and how to stay in an eternal lane. A proud descendant of Latin ancestors who sacrificed dreams and pleasures, Adassa is a talented musician of world-class renown who is the voice of Delores in Disney’s “Encanto.” She is wildly popular for her rendition of “We Don’t Talk about Bruno.” Her creative journey is inspiring and eventful.

Connie Sokol, the host of the “Called to Create” podcast, hosted Adassa in March 2023. Much of their conversation focused on how Adassa has kept her family at the center of her life while being called to create. Here are three ways Adassa has prioritized her family while continuing to create music for the world to enjoy.

Remember Family Stories and Sacrifices

Aspiring to be part of the music industry isn’t new to Adassa—both her mother and grandmother loved to sing and had dreams of being singers. Adassa herself dreamed of being a singer since she was little. Neither her mother nor her grandmother were fully able to live out their dreams—they instead went into the medical field.

Adassa shared her family’s story when she auditioned for “Encanto” at Disney. Her parents had both made many sacrifices to be able to come to the United States. As a result, Adassa had many opportunities that she wouldn’t have had without them. She says, “If this is all they (the producers) hear of me, they’re gonna hear my father’s name… I don’t know when I will have the opportunity for their names to be remembered in the minds of these creatives.”

Keep Family the Top Priority

Since being signed to her first record deal at eighteen years old, Adassa has traveled the world. Her career has given her opportunities to sing with Luis Fonsi, Missy Elliott, and Pitbull, among many others. She sang at Madison Square Gardens and in the American Airlines Arena.

Connie asked Adassa, “How did you keep your head? How did you keep grounded?”

Adassa said, “Well, family to me is number one and has always been my first love… the first thing is to keep them together.”

She went on to say that she wanted to be the best at the beginning of her career, so she had to study the market, follow trends, and be competitive. As a result, she became famous. She found herself pushing the line until she couldn’t go further. She was grateful for the opportunities she’d had in her music. And then she said, “I know what I believe and I know my principles, and I am unwilling to compromise my principles to go to another level.” She was comfortable, so she decided to retire. And then she was home, making bread and teaching her kids.

Connie later asked her, “You (and your husband) both are working in the same industry, and you’re both parenting, and then there’s gotta be time for you guys. How do you navigate the shifting of gears together?”

Adassa said, “I would say it becomes a list of priority. And for us, because our kids are first priority, we have tried to have a live-in [working style]… We kind of do it in the way that works for us.” Adassa and her husband Gabe, who is a music producer, take turns being the stay-at-home parent while they each travel, go on tour, and take advantage of the opportunities that come their way.

Don’t Be Afraid to Turn Down Money for Moments

Adassa’s family principles are very important to her. She has learned to say, “Thank you, but no” when an opportunity doesn’t line up with what she ultimately wants in life. She asks herself, “Does this align with my priorities and my principles?”

Adassa recommends that other creators imagine every step, every yes, and every no to achieve a dream. She said, “Like a chess game, you gotta see the end result before you move a piece.” Otherwise, creators could feel resentment toward their family members for unrealized dreams and expectations.

She has turned down seven- and eight-figure opportunities because they don’t align with her principles. She said, “Sometimes you have to say no to money so you can say yes to moments—and moments you can never get back.”

Adassa went on to say that moments are priceless. She looks for opportunities to take her family of seven children with her whenever she can. They come to see her perform and go on tours with her. “No amount of millions of dollars could ever pay for that moment that I’m gonna miss.”

This article is based on the Called to Create podcast featured during Season 3, Episode 5. You can listen to the full podcast here.

A Conversation with J. Scott Savage

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Tech executive J. Scott Savage had always dreamed of becoming an author; however, it wasn’t until the collapse of a $100-million deal to sell his internet company that he turned to writing to relieve stress. He explains, “I would write a few chapters, and my sister, DeAnne, would read it and go, ‘Hey, this is great. You’re going to write more.'” Encouraged by his sister’s positive feedback, he sent his high-tech thriller to Covenant Communications, a small Utah publisher. Six months later, they offered to publish his book. Looking back at his first novel, J. Scott says, “There are a lot of things that I would have done differently with that story now… But at the time, because there were no aspirations of getting it published, I didn’t know enough to know what I was doing wrong.” Despite facing numerous rejections after his first acceptance, he continued working toward his dream of writing books. He says the obstacles are all part of the process, and making mistakes helped him learn what he knows now.

Initially, he thought, “Okay, that’s it. I’m an author. I’m going to quit the high-tech world. I’m going to go buy a cabin by the lake, and then I saw my first royalties, and I was like, oh no, I guess I won’t do that.” If he had depended on the income from being a writer during the first two decades of his writing career, he would have likely given up. Instead, he realized that creators must engage in creative endeavors out of love for their art rather than financial gain. “You never want to tell someone, hey, you can’t make a living at this, because you can make a living at any creative endeavor. But you’ve got to start doing it because you love it because most creative people are not making enough money to live off it. And oftentimes, it’s combining it with something else or a different approach.”

Later, J. Scott transitioned into writing middle-grade fantasy books. He recalls, “So, I started writing adult books, didn’t think I could write kids’ books, but I eventually discovered that [writing middle-grade books] was… my calling, and my very first middle-grade book came out literally within months of… another recession.” He used the severance pay from his tech job to embark on a school tour to promote his debut middle-grade book. His efforts to promote the book weren’t successful in the way he had hoped, but he loved inspiring children to read and write. He recalls, “Looking back, though, what felt like a failure was where I really learned to do what I do now.”

J. Scott highlights the importance of treating young readers respectfully instead of talking down to them. When he visits schools, he shares stories from his own childhood that kids can relate to, like growing up with ADHD, wearing an eye patch, and going to speech therapy. He says, “As a writer myself, I think it’s valuable to know that someone who has published numerous books believes that others can do the same. My message to aspiring writers is to find their unique voice, make an impact, and celebrate their differences.”

In a world filled with countless distractions for children, J. Scott aims to provide opportunities for kids to learn to express themselves through writing. “Sharing stories can help us understand each other’s perspectives and appreciate our differences.” His two goals for nurturing empathy in young writers are to show them that reading and writing are fun and safe. “I tell them there is no wrong answer. I’ve had some somewhat questionable things that we come up with, whether a butt monster or a farting unicorn or whatever, but the thing is that once they know that there’s no wrong answer, that it’s not a right and wrong test, it changes things.”

Teachers verify that his teaching technique works, citing instances where children previously hesitant to write were inspired to craft engaging narratives, such as a story about a farting chipmunk. In the past, the teachers would have rejected this idea for being inappropriate, but because of his advice, “literally, by the end of the day, [the students] had put together a five-page story.”

By fostering a love for books in school-age children, J. Scott has been able to instill within them a desire to read that lasts throughout their lives. He is often approached by young adults who say, “I know you don’t remember, but when I was in fifth or sixth grade, you came to my school. I hadn’t read anything, but after your assembly, I wanted to read that, and I finished that book, and I told my mom I wanted to read more. I just wanted to come and thank you… it’s because of you coming and visiting my school that I love reading now and that I’ve continued to read.”

J. Scott’s life lessons and personal triumphs echo through the pages of his books. His narratives, replete with compelling characters navigating challenges, inspire readers embarking on their personal journeys. According to him, reading about characters in challenging situations triggers the release of specific chemicals in the brain. When young readers immerse themselves in books, the same chemical reactions occur. This phenomenon has a transformative power. Readers see their favorite characters triumph over adversity and think, “I can do that too!”

The positive messages J. Scott gets from readers and teachers help keep him motivated when the business of writing becomes discouraging. He points out that the goal isn’t necessarily to write the next bestseller, but to sell enough books to keep writing more. Despite facing times when he doubts himself and money is tight, he finds strength in moments when people tell him that his stories or classes made a difference in their lives. He shares a story about a friend who wrote a book that didn’t sell well. He assured her that it wasn’t her fault—it’s just how the publishing world works sometimes.

J. Scott encourages new authors to involve loved ones in their writing journey, seek local mentors and organizations, and use the internet to connect with like-minded individuals. He emphasizes that the gift of writing is a calling from God to impact lives positively. “Whether you’re writing your first book or your twentieth book or whether you’re selling a lot of books or not, whether you’re touring or whatever—I feel like you’ve been given that talent as a calling, and magnifying your calling doesn’t guarantee you’re going to make a lot of money or be famous, but it does guarantee that you’re taking those talents and you’re doing something with them.”

This article is based on the Called to Create podcast featured during Season 3, Episode 8. You can listen to the full podcast here.

A Conversation with Jane Clayson Johnson

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Jane Clayson Johnson is a renowned journalist, author, public speaker, wife and mother, and member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Jane uses her platform to advocate for issues like motherhood and mental health by drawing on personal experiences and helping others share their stories.

Jane’s love for storytelling and conveying information began when she was young. She recalls, “In high school, I devoured Time magazine from cover to cover every week. I just got lost in the stories of journalists in faraway places telling sometimes difficult and sometimes heartwarming stories. And I just thought it was such an interesting venue to share storytelling, get facts, tell the truth, and share that in a meaningful and informative way.”

After receiving a violin performance scholarship, Jane began her college career at Brigham Young University. However, she soon realized she wanted to pursue music as a hobby rather than a profession. She then shifted her focus to journalism and gained experience by writing news cut-ins for the campus TV station KBYU.

While leaving the Harris Fine Arts Center, she stumbled upon an internship opportunity at KSL TV. Despite the tight deadline, she drove to Salt Lake City to submit her application and secured the internship. She eventually transitioned from a part-time position at the station to a full-time role upon graduation.

Jane worked with the KSL Nightbeat newscast team, including Dick Nourse, Shelly Thomas, and Bruce Lindsay, who “took her under their wing.” She learned “to work hard and to be the first one in the door and the last one out,” “to be humble,” and to “respect everyone’s job and to learn from everyone because everyone has something to offer and something to teach you.”

Although Jane was happy working at KSL and had no plans to leave, her perspective shifted when an agent from New York contacted her about an interview opportunity with ABC News. Within a couple of months, she had moved to Los Angeles to work as a correspondent for affiliates around the country. She later became a network correspondent on World News Tonight with Peter Jennings. Her career took her all over the world, including assignments in Kosovo and Macedonia, where she reported on the refugee crisis after the NATO airstrikes. She also covered high-profile cases such as the O.J. Simpson trial and the fall of the Soto government in Jakarta, Indonesia.

Jane prevailed over tough competition when CBS launched a campaign to find Bryant Gumbel’s new morning cohost. Describing the role as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, she acknowledges the demanding schedule that required her to be up by 3:30 a.m., arrive at the studio by 4:00 a.m. to read newspapers and meet with producers, then present the news from 7-9:00 a.m. on air before providing updates for the West Coast two hours later. Despite the demands, Jane is grateful for the unforgettable opportunities, including covering major events like 9/11 and interviewing prominent figures such as presidents and First Ladies. She credits this experience for preparing her for the diverse seasons of her life that followed.

When asked how she maintains her composure during difficult broadcasts, like her coverage of 9/11, Jane reveals that she feels deeply and tends to over-empathize with her interview subjects. However, she realizes that a reporter is not the story but a conduit for the story. She adds, “I think in the days of kind of showmanship journalism, where lots of folks are trying to . . . be at the center of it all, I think we have to remember to have humility and to try to understand what another person is going through and to help them describe it.”

Jane relied on her faith to anchor her amidst the shifting responsibilities and challenges of high-profile journalism. In an environment where most people had never met members of the Church, Jane recalls, “I had to . . . stand up for my beliefs, and I always tried to do my best. I always felt like I was a representative for the Church and wanted to be seen as someone who lived the gospel in its purest form, which is to be an example of the Savior.” Jane regards her ability to believe as one of her spiritual gifts, which she attributes to her upbringing. She expresses gratitude for her parents, who taught her gospel principles while allowing her to make her own decisions. Once she developed her own testimony, she says, “I realized how precious it was and I didn’t ever want to do anything that would detract from living a life that would. . . allow me to feel the Spirit.”

Jane chose to transition to a new season of life when she met her future husband. Despite receiving a lucrative offer to return to ABC, Jane, then 36, decided to leave the fast-paced world of network news to start a family. Although this choice was met with skepticism from others, and the transition was difficult, Jane knew the decision was right for her. Reflecting on her journey, she emphasizes that individual circumstances and desires are crucial in life choices. She explains, “After working (at) quite a high level for a lot of years, I knew that I wanted to have a family, and I personally didn’t see how it was going to work to be able to do both. I know a lot of women do, but for me, this was the choice that I made.” She relocated to Boston, and within two and a half years, she and her husband welcomed two children.

While Jane had never planned to be an author, an idea for a book came to her in the early morning hours when she was caring for her newborn. She jotted down her thoughts on a yellow notepad. Before she knew it, a book had taken shape. Of the creative process, Jane says, “Each of us has experiences that we can translate into lessons for others.” Her book I Am a Mother challenges the notion that being a stay-at-home mom is not a meaningful or essential role. Hearing many moms say, “Oh, I’m just a mom,” prompted Jane’s desire to help women recognize the value and significance of their role. Drawing from personal experiences and those shared by other women, she sheds light on the often overlooked but essential role of motherhood.

In her second book, Silent Souls Weeping, Jane delves into her personal experience with debilitating clinical depression. Her struggle to navigate the darkness and isolation of mental illness inspired her to embark on a new journey to catalog stories of over 150 individuals who struggle with depression. As Jane notes, “We all have a weakness. We all have times in our lives where we need help, and we need to acknowledge that we need help.”

Despite initial apprehension about sharing such raw and vulnerable experiences, the overwhelming response from readers reaffirmed Jane’s conviction that openness and understanding are essential in combating the stigma surrounding mental illness. She recalls, “We . . . created a community and a conversation within our faith that hadn’t been had before.”

Jane Clayson Johnson’s remarkable journey can inspire us to have faith in our own creative paths and believe that we are being guided to what we should be doing. She admonishes, “No one should discount the experiences that they’re having, whether they be difficult. Whatever they are, they’re preparing you for the journey ahead.”

This article is based on the Called to Create podcast featured during Season 3, Episode 7. You can listen to the full episode here.

A Conversation with Reyna Aburto

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Connie Sokol hosted Sister Reyna Aburto on the Called to Create podcast to discuss the beautiful ways the Lord works in our lives. Reyna shared how her experiences have shaped her and given her the personal strength to create.

Emigrating to the US wasn’t easy for Sister Aburto. Reyna said, “I think that the key when we go through those hard times is to just live one day at a time…do one little thing at a time. And I think that’s what I try to do, just concentrate on one little thing, line by line, precept by precept.” [4:40–5:10]

Connie agreed and said, “[W]e can feel like we’re constantly learning and in this limbo of.…I don’t know if this is what the Lord exactly wants me to do. When we feel uncertain so much of the time, …we have to draw on those gospel basics whether we realize them or not… Sometimes we negate that this experience is exactly what we need in order to more effectively share what the Lord wants us to share.” [5:18–5:38 and 13:20–13:33]

They then talked about how important it is to have a community of people to strengthen us. Sister Eubank was part of Reyna’s community when Reyna was serving as the second counselor in the Relief Society General Presidency. Reyna was writing her general conference address and expressed to Sister Eubank that she was trying to sound like other women who had spoken in general conference.

Sister Eubank told her, “You don’t need to sound like them. You need to find your own voice. The Lord wants you to have your own voice.”

Reyna knew Sister Eubank was right. She didn’t need to sound like anyone else. [17:45–18:03]

Reyna went on to say, “We just need to find and develop and increase those gifts that we have been given… And we all have them even if we want to be humble and not…acknowledge them…[W]e also have been given experiences that have shaped us, that give us empathy towards other people. So let’s just use those things that the Lord has given us… I think that if we are trying to glorify our Father in Heaven and our Savior, they will allow us to grow and to learn even more.” [18:11–18:55]

Reyna and Connie stressed how important it is to support others as well. Reyna said, “Life is worth living. And…we need to just rally around each other and to try to support each other… Every interaction that we have with a human being is an opportunity to build a bridge, to connect, to support, to listen, to love, and we have those opportunities every day of our life.”  [26:48–27:16]

Connie and Reyna then talked about the importance of vulnerability in creativity. Reyna said, “When we have gone through hard experiences and we are trying to decide if we want to be vulnerable or not, we all have a different pace. And we should not force ourselves to be vulnerable. We need to be ready.” [20:35–20:50]

Connie and Reyna discussed how the Lord helps us heal through hard experiences. Connie said, “He always is layered. And in the process of you going through these experiences, He gives you opportunities to serve, which helps you heal from those experiences, and then share so that other people can heal from those experiences. The way the Lord works is so gorgeous.” [27:25–27:56]

In a Relief Society lesson in Connie’s ward, the sisters openly discussed Sister Aburto’s talk “Thru Cloud and Sunshine, Lord, Abide with Me” (October 2019). Connie said, “We were able to open up and connect, and hearts were knitted together in love, just like the scriptures say, because we were able to get real about those experiences and stories in a way that really hadn’t been done on that level yet.” [28:13–28:54]

Connie said to “Keep showing up, [and] keep taking the next right step.” [6:00–6:03] Connie then asked Sister Aburto if there are any tips she’d share for showing up during hard experiences.

Reyna said, “I think that prayer is very important… Every day of our life. Because we never know what is gonna come our way… We can start our day with a prayer asking Heavenly Father to protect us and to help us create that day in a way that is pleasing for Him. And then we can also have a prayer in our heart as we go through our days… But also, I think that looking at every experience that we have as a learning experience, even when things don’t go the way we expected. We should not look at them as failures. We should look at them as a learning experience, something that you’re learning that is preparing you for something else… We are always preparing for something else. It doesn’t matter how hard a situation is or an experience is, we can always learn from that and it will always make us stronger.” [29:58–32:32]

Connie said, “It’s in the daily doing. And it’s the living. The experiences that we’re having and seeing the beauty of it and seeing the purpose in it that then we can turn around and we can channel that and utilize it for good… It’s preparing you to be a more effective instrument…. You’re doing this for him! And it doesn’t matter what part you are, what step you are on that journey, …he’s gonna use it for good. So you don’t have to stress that, you just have to keep showing up for him.” [33:42–35:05]

Finally, Reyna shared some questions to help creatives learn from their tough experiences. She asked, “What am I learning from this? How is this going to help me in the future? How can I get closer to God with this experience? How can I connect with others? How can I use this experience to fill my heart with empathy toward other people?”

Reyna then reminded creatives, “[U]se those experiences to make you a better person, to make you a better disciple of Christ, and to glorify God who is in heaven because of all the miracles that you’ve had in your life.” [32:35–33:00]

This article is based on the Called to Create podcast featured during Season 3, Episode 21. You can listen to the full episode here.

A headshot of Sister Reyna Aburto.

Reyna Aburto

Reyna Aburto was born in Nicaragua and studied Industrial Engineering there. She holds a degree in Computer Science from Utah Valley University and has worked in the language industry for more than 30 years. Reyna and her husband own a translation business. She has served as Relief Society General Presidency Second Counselor and as a member of the Primary General Board for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. She currently serves on the Correlation Committee in Church Headquarters. She is the author of Reaching for the Savior (Acudamos al Salvador, in Spanish), and co-host of the Consecrating Your Life podcast (@consecratingpod) with her daughter Elena.